Do you think that trees, flowers, bushes or any other type of flora go through the reincarnation process. Or do you think that this is something that only animals feel. What about a single leaf falling away from a tree, one day will it exist in another state?
Do you think that reincarnation is reserved only for the animal kingdom?
Hmmm....a single leaf, I don't think so. A leaf of a plant or tree is comparable to a skin cell of a human being. I doubt all our dead skin cells are reincarnated, so I kind of feel like leaves do not. Maybe a tree or flowers. Animals, I don't really know. Perhaps your soul starts as a low life form and then reincarnates until it is mature enough to return to life as a human. Who knows. Just a thought.
Reply:You must be from the Green Party because you think that "life is lived through the living of lovingness to hug a bug and a tree and free spirits of reincarnation" or something.
Reply:one day we will all exist in another state.
Reply:As a Christian I do not believe in reincarnation. I do believe in compost heaps though and fertilization and know that these plants nourish new growth.
Reply:I don't believe in reincarnation of any kind. And if the leaf in your example doesn't have a nut/seed attached it will wither and die. A leaf is a part of the tree, not it's essence.
Reply:These things have no opportunity to influence their karma, so it would not make sense for reincarnation to include them.
Reply:Who told you that animals are reincarnated?!
Reply:I believe anything that can live, and die can reincarnate. My friend brought to my attention if something can't die how is it living? So things in the animal kingdom and wild, anything living that dies should be able to reincarnate. I read a story about a leaf that reincarnated, it was non-fiction, but it made sense.
Reply:I don't know! I definitely believe in reincarnation.....but I would not dare even venture a guess as to whether trees, flowers, bushes, etc. reincarnate, or not. However, I don't find the idea inconceivable.
Reply:reincarnation is starting out as a bug and slowly graduating to animal form then to human form human form to spirit to god,,,,, incarnation is the belief the soul never dies and is reborn over and over until it is pure ,so it can be with god. both are supposed to be a souls learning experience.
Reply:Hoof and horn, Hoof and horn
All that dies shall be reborn.
Corn and grain, corn and grain
All that falls shall rise again.
It's about the circle of life, the movement of the life force throughout the world. Of course that leaf will exist in another state. It will be rotted by bacteria and become part of the soil. It will feed an earthworm and become part of the earthworm's scat. That will feed a sunflower, which will produce seeds, which will feed your parrot. The parrot will die and bacteria will consume it, and so it goes.
What this has to do with the term reincarnation is unclear. I do not think consciousness remains in the cells as they are rotted away. I believe consciousness is a part of the soul, and that is not tied to the material world.
Reply:on't think reincarnation is reserved for any one not foe humans not for animals not for trees ,flowers or any other vegetation, in other words I believe what the Bible's words because they come from God, not the words of men.
THE Greek philosopher Plato connected falling in love with the idea of reincarnation. He believed that after the death of the body, the soul, being immortal, migrates to what has been called the "realm of the pure forms." Bodiless, it remains there for some time, contemplating the forms. When it is later reincarnated into another body, the soul subconsciously remembers and yearns for the realm of forms. According to Plato, people fall in love because they see in their beloved the ideal form of beauty they vaguely remember and seek.
Identifying the Source and the Basis
The teaching of reincarnation requires that the soul be immortal. The origin of reincarnation, then, must be traced to those peoples or nations that held such a belief. On this basis, some think that it originated in ancient Egypt. Others hold that it got started in old Babylonia. To create prestige for the Babylonian religion, its priesthood advanced the doctrine of transmigration of the soul. They could thus claim that their religious heroes were reincarnations of notable, though long dead, ancestors.
The Hindu wheel of life
It was in India, however, that belief in reincarnation came to full bloom. The Hindu sages were grappling with the universal problems of evil and of suffering among humans. 'How can these be harmonized with the concept of a righteous Creator?' they asked. They tried to resolve the conflict between God's righteousness and the unforeseen calamities and inequalities in the world. In time, they devised "the law of karma," the law of cause and effect-'whatever a man sows, that shall he reap.' They worked out a detailed 'balance sheet' whereby merits and demerits in one life are rewarded or punished in the next.
"Karma" simply means "action." A Hindu is said to have good karma if he conforms to social and religious norms and bad karma if he does not. His action, or karma, determines his future in each successive rebirth. "All men are born with a blueprint of character, mainly prepared by their actions in previous lives, though their physical traits are determined by heredity," says a philoosopher . "A man is [thus] an architect of his own fate, the builder of his own destiny." The ultimate goal, however, is to be liberated from this cycle of transmigration and be united with Brahman-the ultimate reality. This, it is believed, is achieved by striving for socially acceptable behavior and special Hindu knowledge.
The teaching of reincarnation thus uses as its foundation the doctrine of the immortality of the soul and builds on it using the law of karma. Let us see what God's inspired Word, the Bible, has to say regarding these ideas.
Is the Soul Immortal?
To answer this question, let us turn to the highest authority on the subject-the inspired Word of the Creator. In the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, we learn the accurate meaning of "soul." Regarding the creation of the first man, Adam, the Bible says: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." (Genesis 2:7) Clearly, the soul is not what a man has but what he is. The Hebrew word used here for soul is ne'phesh. It occurs some 700 times in the Bible, and it never refers to a separate and ethereal part of a human but always to something tangible and physical.-Job 6:7; Psalm 35:13; 107:9; 119:28.
What happens to the soul at death? Consider what happened to Adam at his death. When he sinned, God told him: "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return." (Genesis 3:19) Think of what that means. Before God created him from the dust, Adam did not exist. After his death, Adam returned to the same state of nonexistence.
Simply stated, the Bible teaches that death is the opposite of life. At Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, we read: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going."
This means that the dead are unable to do or feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, nor do they remember anything. The psalmist states: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish."-Psalm 146:3, 4.
The Bible clearly shows that at death the soul does not move on to another body, but it dies. "The soul that is sinning-it itself will die," the Bible emphatically states. (Ezekiel 18:4, 20; Acts 3:23; Revelation 16:3) Thus, the doctrine of the immortality of the soul-the very foundation of the theory of reincarnation-does not find any support in the Scriptures. Without it, the theory collapses. What, then, explains the suffering we see in the world?
God's Personality and the Law of Karma
"The law of Karma," explained Mohandas K. Gandhi, "is inexorable and impossible of evasion. There is thus hardly any need for God to interfere. He laid down the law and, as it were, retired." Gandhi found this disturbing. On the other hand, the resurrection promise reveals that God has a deep interest in his creation. To bring a dead one back to life on a paradise earth, God has to know and remember everything about that person. God indeed cares for each one of us.-1 Peter 5:6, 7.
Why Do People Suffer?
The underlying reason for human suffering is the imperfection that we all inherit from sinful Adam. "Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned," says the Bible. (Romans 5:12) Being born from Adam, all of us get sick, grow old, and die.-Psalm 41:1, 3; Philippians 2:25-27.
Further, the Creator's inexorable moral law states: "Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh." (Galatians 6:7, 8) Thus, a promiscuous life-style may lead to emotional distress, unwanted pregnancies, and sexually transmitted diseases. "An astonishing 30 percent of fatal cancers [in the United States] can be blamed primarily on smoking, and an equal number on lifestyle, especially dietary practices and lack of exercise," says the magazine Scientific American. Some disasters that cause suffering are a legacy of man's mismanagement of earth's resources.-Compare Revelation 11:18.
"Time and unforeseen occurrence befall them all."-Ecclesiastes 9:11
Yes, man is to blame for much of his misery. Since the soul is not immortal, however, the law of 'reaping what you sow' cannot be used to connect human suffering to a karma-deeds of a supposed previous life. "He who has died has been acquitted from his sin," states the Bible. (Romans 6:7, 23) Thus the fruitage of sin is not carried over to a life after death.
Reply:Simply....No.
(Ecclesiastes 3:19-20) For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20?All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust.
Reply:reincarnation is a myth
Reply:I have remembered being trees and rocks... I have communed with the spirit of a grain of sand... Everything in creation is alive, even so called 'inanimate' objects... Therefore we can incarnate as anything at all...
The leaves of a tree are analogous to the cells of our body their consciousness is subordinate to the tree and it returns to the tree when the leaves wither and die, just as the consciousness of the cells of our bodies is subsumed within our own consciousness when our cells die...
Aside from the limitations claimed for what types of lives may be eligible for reincarnation that some doctirnes of reincarnation define, I find fault with beliefs about reincarnation in regard to the role time plays in those beliefs.
Time is an illusion, the popular comprehension of reincarnation is time oriented and structures our belief about reincarnation in a progression from a past to a future, but with time being an illusion there is no linear progression just all of our lives happening now, all of the incarnations we experience and all the experiences of each of our infinite incarnations are all happening concurrently, now, therefore the concept of causality or karma as an explanation of the connections between our various incarnations is not likely. So, while it is true in my experience that we have many incarnations, the unlikeliness of the role of karma as part of a process of reincarnation strongly suggests that the traditional or popular beliefs about reincarnation have been modified by our societal desire to use spiritual knowledge to dictate existential rules for the purpose of social engineering through religious doctrine. Therefore the constraints implied against 'sinful' or 'karmic' actions serve societal needs to curb anti-social behaviour rather than defining an objective causal relationship between our incarnations.
To understand the illusional nature of time and space try seeing the movie/DVD "What the Bleep Do We Know?"
Reply:No, I do not believe that leaves or flowers reincarnate.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012
Do you think that reincarnation is reserved only for the animal kingdom?
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